These are beyond thin they are very thin , prior to use one washes them. Washed on cold dried on low these not only pilled they are all weird like these are seconds. The pillow cases are not even square /straight and have some odd opening. Certainly these are not Macy's quality or standard well made sheets that will last at least a year. These are heading straight back. I could never recommend these and they only made it out of the dryer.