These are terribly sized! I own Trotters Liz shoes and they are a dream. I ordered same size here, I assume that because I had to research that an 8S stood for "standard". What the heck, Macy's??!! Anyway, So excited that my new purple flats came, and I cannot even get my feet in them. Made for long skinny stick feet! They look like ike skinny clown feet shoes! Awful! So mad.